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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 211 for the third of

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November 2012 Richard Saunders here with

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you from wonderful glorious beautiful

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Southern California where I'm visiting

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my good friend Brian Dunning now believe

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it or not I am sitting in the Skip tied

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studio using the Skip toyed microphone

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to record this episode of the skeptics

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and what a great crossover folks on this

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week's show we kick off with a chat with

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teacher science teacher Erin Kelley

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Stephens from will c wood high school in

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vacaville in california he kindly

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invited me to go and speak to some of

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his students take some classes and do

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the mystery investigators show so I chat

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with some of his students following that

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it's mad Maynard once again not a term

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this time but at the shonky Awards the

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2012 shonky awards from choice magazine

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an hour keen interest The Skeptical keen

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interest in the shonky Awards this year

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was that they awarded one of their

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sharkys to nature's way kids smart

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natural medicines homeopathic range and

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to quote their press release shonky

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loves homeopathy the idea of selling

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water for upwards of 1,000 dollars per

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liter and claiming it's medicine

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represents the very essence of shock

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enos but convincing anxious or desperate

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children's ailment takes it to a whole

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new level may nod catches up with the

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funny guy and choices own Ingrid used to

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homeopathic medicine about time

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homeopathy was labeled a shock and to

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tub of truth Brian Dunning zone hot tub

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with Brian Dunning Lisa Dunning Erica

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brown and our very own penny for your

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show so while I run downstairs and raid

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bacon and eggs I'll let you enjoy the

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well here i am in wonderful glorious

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Boonen I school go cats yes Wow gasps go

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in go cats and I'm here with a very good

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building so it's pretty fantastic we

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huge table this is a judge as one of the

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biggest tables I've ever seen and

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James Bond movie this this is a the last

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feel of it that's exactly what it is

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classes one or two classes to Class B

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oats and then your presentation in the

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library after school yeah and I'm doing

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investigators program I sort of winging

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turns but I can sort of get by and we're

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pareidolia where you see faces in random

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princes were his Prince of England where

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mother of things that would mess with

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Gillard which works well cuz all the

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his lady gaga relating it okay well I've

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done better I've put in Barack Obama

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presentation that I found a great

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picture President Obama huge smile and

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work sport for it it's got a handsome

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smile yes he does he's good he's quite

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it's still neck and neck as far as I

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of psychics and mystics have foreseen

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that barack obama will win the

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presidential election i'm thinking to

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myself wow that's so that's it that's an

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amazing prediction isn't it well is this

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only a 50-50 chance it's not like if

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they'd have predicted what because

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office or just the only to anybody knows

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today's date is the looks of my budgets

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the 29th yes of October I'll put it out

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there I'll make a bold prediction I'll

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predict the Barack Obama will win there

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you go very cool very who knows if

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that'll come true so you've been a

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school for how about this is my 11th

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year actually so really yeah Wow as a

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bit of a frightening little story

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earlier this year I was looking at the

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list of new teachers that have been

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hired and lo and behold when my former

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students was hired as a teacher no yes i

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felt quite old in that moment granted he

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was fast track ii he got through college

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quickly and you know went straight into

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the teaching but still it made me feel

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and wow he still calls me mr. Stevens

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anymore your colleague how about that

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earth yes sort of things happen I think

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skepticism so I guess you'd have to be

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people as a long and interesting may be

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interesting to me long journey will say

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that I went to Catholic school for eight

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you'd ever meet my grandfather not so

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where i was going to in public school so

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class just like other classes so if

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was this there is that you know math and

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she and i would get in these really deep

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conversations with the other fifth

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graders kind of sitting there

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scientific reasons for some things like

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the Red Sea parting of such and she said

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earthquakes or whatever causing things

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like this is and then she was very well

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cactus or something that grows in the

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desert that could be considered the

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unleavened bread that comes up out of

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nowhere and I haven't been able to

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verify that sense but it nonetheless it

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got my mind sparking that maybe they're

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just stories in the Bible and and not

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just history and so of course as I went

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learn more and more that there were

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optic nerve dying or something that sort

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that were in the Bible actually have a

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legitimate reason behind it not

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something magical or mystical and I also

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monk immolating himself oh that's a very

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machine has that undercover and I

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remember thinking myself now this guy

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believes in a different religion that I

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do and he believes so firmly what he's

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doing that he's willing to burn himself

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to death I am certainly not going to

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burn myself to death for anything that I

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believe in at this point so we can't

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both be right right the Bible can't be

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right and he can't be right also and yet

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his beliefs are much stronger than

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anybody I know in my church and so there

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was a questioning of the of the church

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happening at the same time as learning

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that there was more more to what's

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happening that we could answer with

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science and so you know as I learned

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more and more I didn't realize as

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becoming a skeptic actually didn't you

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know the term as applied nowadays until

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I started listening to the skeptics

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guide to the galaxy

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well holy cow I'm a skeptic I skeptics

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guide to the universe yeah let me expand

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it yeah I've explained it to the galaxy

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I used to be skipping scribed to the

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planet and maybe even you can tell my my

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childhood reading there too right as I

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read this you know Hitchhiker's Guide

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the Cherokees go I'd use oh yeah I find

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it funny that also so many skeptics are

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into things like doctor who and how

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nobody plans this what it must just be

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something in the curious brain that gets

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there I love it oh yeah yeah what I gave

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it took some years ago general token

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skepticism I put up as some of my

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influences Carl Sagan and Tom Baker mmm

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yeah I was 13 14 15 16 whatever when

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windows old doctor who's would be glad

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that I remember seen em team did loved

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it you know and he here he was for the

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most part using science and and he was a

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hero of course so he was always the

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winner well yet the they have the

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advantage in the show there can be

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science in the show that we don't

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understand yet well that's because it's

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science fiction but that was never good

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there was mrs. yeah so this thing's

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woven in but you know that that's poetic

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license that's fine the shows not meant

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to be a scientific documentary other

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science fiction but i'm sure it inspired

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a lot of people i mean like star trek in

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spider yeah its famous is going to bring

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up to a star trek really influenced me I

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like in Star Trek that you can pose

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moral dilemmas that you can't do in real

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life no but particularly in star trek

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the next generations the way they dealt

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with some of the Borg issues and the

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humanity of them even though they're

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part of a collective and yeah it was

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very powerful to me I don't know why but

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for something the the ones with the

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board Hugh that they view yeah I

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remember those episodes really hit me

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you know i was like wow here's a dilemma

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that maybe someday in the future could

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possibly be but you can only address it

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in there and then you can have the

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things like like where they call dude or

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something like that doctor who doctor

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who were there don't be rude tiendalli

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they've been

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genetically engineered as a slave race

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and that this could be a real legitimate

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possibility sometime but the only way we

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can explore these ideas and in science

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fiction so maybe that's why so many

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people in the set skepticism gravitate

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towards science fiction because there's

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these ideas you can only deal with in

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that realm some probably so we're in the

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last few years of the last ten years of

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course harry potter type mysticism and

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magic is it has been very evident and

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you know that's okay i mean somebody a

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very famous skeptic came up to me at a

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conference not so long ago and had a

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chat to me and he was a very unhappy

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about harry potter and he said what do

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you think about this harry potter is

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teaching these kids and I said I thought

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himself well you know it's Shakespeare's

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full of magic and mysticism and I said

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what if the kids know it's a story then

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it's just a great story i could sit down

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tomorrow and write a story about wizards

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and magic and things that don't happen

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but that's just using my imagination I'm

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not once at any time saying it's real so

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I was always a little bit I don't know

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what to think about that yeah it's art

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well i think the harry potter is so

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fantastic that there's no way you're

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going to buy into the belief i myself i

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do like the Harry Potter movies I have a

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hard time at the books primarily because

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I was an Ursa little Gwynn fan the earth

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see trilogy I don't know if you read

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that i know i have not known but i'm

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sure some of that listeners happening

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i'm sure they dyking know I had a really

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hard time reading the first Harry Potter

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but because it seemed like so much of it

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came from mercy so I was like oh but am

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I to my favorites science fiction

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writers not science fiction writers are

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Tolkien and Ursula Le Guin okay what I

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like about them is they're very very

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good about laying a foundation of a

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world they make no claim about it being

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our real world but they're very they're

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consistent within their own world yeah

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and Harry Potter's not so you know I had

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a hard time with Harry partisan well

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you got the got the Phoenix here you got

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this there it's like where's where's the

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consistency of no I'll have powers are

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ever so it's Voldemort made a different

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you so yeah yeah just messin function

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and another famous skeptic I won't

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mention the name and another famous

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skeptic I know went to see Lord of the

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Rings the first movie and about 40

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minutes in walked out because it

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couldn't take it anymore though the way

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they altered the story no no he couldn't

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understand it because you know he was

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too steeped in physics I guess reality

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and suddenly these things were crazy

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things are happening is I me all right I

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can understand that but when I go to see

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a movie like that my brain is checked

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door and I get my pie me in the world of

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talk and I'm not in our room exact when

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I go outside and that's now avatar on

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the other hand I couldn't handle that

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like somebody has got to explain me how

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those mountains are floating you can't

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do that I can't just have those things

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happening and not explain how it's

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happening come up with something i don't

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care if it's wrong or fake or whatever

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but at least try to explain it I go

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there's mountains as floating these

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mountains living I'll just hear their

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balance between the gravity of the

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planet and they're connected by roots of

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something and what it is but three I

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could handle it I i I'd bite it was like

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going to i'm watching a live action

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version of fern gully I don't know if

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you attack yeah it was very much like

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fern gully huh I right or I enjoyed

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avatar to an extent but you know I

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thought ultimately the plot was a bit

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man I couldn't handle the dialogue and

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the you know like I see evil humans and

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the good yeah license down than the the

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cowboy bad guy and it's just there's too

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much I couldn't handle it we seem to be

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going off drifting off that sorry tange

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Indian oh that's quite all right let's

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look let's get grounded back to reality

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someone now you have a visitor club as a

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program what do you do skeptic they have

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a clever and um I don't think that they

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would label it as a skeptic club they

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just call it's called pure logic so the

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idea is that most of the time when kids

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are talking with each other they're not

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really engaged in very deep

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conversations

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you know and there are kids who want to

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be engaged in a really deep conversation

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they want a safe place to do that so a

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couple years ago students started the

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pure logic club and they're all very

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most of our very intelligent kids that

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are getting good grades and you know

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some of them not so much but they all

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really like to get in discussions and

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really talk and so I you know one of

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them came to me is hey can I start this

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club here another teacher said that

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you'd probably be hip on this nice yeah

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this is great so as they've been going

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I've been kind of guiding them a little

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bit more towards a more skeptical point

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of view of things and and trying to keep

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their conversations when they bring up a

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topic a little more grounded because

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sometimes they buying a lot of them

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buying as conspiracy theory and things

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of that sort so I tried I try to guide

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them and this year I I've tried to be

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even more structure give them some ideas

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you know like well maybe somebody should

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go research homeopathy we had a kid who

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researched cryptozoology and just you

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know so giving them a bunch of topics so

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that they have some guidance that first

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the person who originated he had

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guidance of his own he had ideas he

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wanted to talk about and he wanted a

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place to talk to a talk about it and so

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that was his club but he's gone now he's

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graduated so now the club needed some

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guidance so I've stepped in a little bit

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more I guess was the name of my view on

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Logic it's quite open yeah that's the

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whole idea is that any topic is is open

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for discussion hmm religion politics

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science paranormal anything that the

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kids are interested in and want to

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really talk about and otherwise don't

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have a place to talk about it no and you

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sound leakage from one of the class

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we're surrounded by all these doors I

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look around this door over there there's

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the door down their door back here and

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they're all got students behind another

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yeah I was yeah for some of them and

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your room is immediately to our left

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that I think

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you hear the video inert murmurings from

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yuck so that's great that I like I do

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like that name I mean one of the

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problems with the modern skepticism is

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the name is the word skipping it is

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applied images forever misused or

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misunderstood we have the global warming

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skeptics we've got the moon landing

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skeptics one of the the more silly

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arguments put against me is our you

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skeptics are so silly you once believed

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the world was flat Jade welcome hey what

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and that that's that's a great sound

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bite by the way because it's really hard

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to counter quickly it's very easy to say

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you could say it about anybody you know

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you believe is it so stupid you thought

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the world was flat but what do you mean

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you owe you skeptics it you see what I

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mean yeah it's one of the problems that

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we face all the time but you have to go

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back in time you know several hundred

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year depending on which you know which

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realm of science are talking about that

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people have known since the time of what

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where the Greeks are you yeah yeah that

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there were some people knew the earth

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was round but yes oh yeah how do you

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yeah you are you cannot counter that

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especially if it's done in a live

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situation around the media or something

538
00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:11,950
you can't you can't counter a question

539
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:14,020
like that very quickly one it's it's a

540
00:22:17,550 --> 00:22:15,490
fundamentally flawed question it's a

541
00:22:19,170 --> 00:22:17,560
nonsense question and it's silly to and

542
00:22:20,460 --> 00:22:19,180
then you said well who do you mean the

543
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:20,470
skeptics what are you talking about in

544
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:22,570
modern skepticism so why me my friends

545
00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:25,090
by the time you've got even started to

546
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:27,700
do all that if you've lost it you've

547
00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:30,010
lost that the thing so it's interesting

548
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:32,140
how that those sort of things can be

549
00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:33,730
used against it but your skeptic is a

550
00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:36,310
problematic word so I guess pure logic

551
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:41,350
is so well vague and away isn't it yeah

552
00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:43,570
I mean you got the word logic in there

553
00:22:49,950 --> 00:22:48,340
and what's pure me oh you do computer

554
00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:49,960
science club or you know something like

555
00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:52,120
that but it seems to work out i mean the

556
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:54,550
club has been growing it's our regular

557
00:22:58,500 --> 00:22:56,650
membership continues to improve but

558
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,510
sometimes we have upwards of 20 or so

559
00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:01,120
students in there on bad days even now

560
00:23:06,370 --> 00:23:03,620
it's at least 10 we'd meet twice a week

561
00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:06,380
we have fairly short lunches just over a

562
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:07,790
half an hour so you can't get a whole

563
00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:10,490
lot done Wow a musician luxury and they

564
00:23:15,610 --> 00:23:13,820
chose lunch because after school most of

565
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,620
kids who are coming to the club they're

566
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:17,600
involved kids they do things are doing

567
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,460
sports or doing band they're doing other

568
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:20,960
stuff so the only time they could meet

569
00:23:24,730 --> 00:23:23,210
was during school so you know they cited

570
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:24,740
to breaking into twice a week and

571
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:27,050
sometimes a topic will take a couple of

572
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:29,290
different sessions yeah well I was very

573
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,690
very grateful last time I came here and

574
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,640
spoke to some of your classes and then I

575
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:36,559
did the presentation in the library a

576
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,809
little later on you sent me a big

577
00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:40,400
envelope full of letters from students

578
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:42,860
and that was so touching to think that

579
00:23:48,190 --> 00:23:44,600
they took the time to thank me for

580
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:48,200
coming and I'm so pleased to know some

581
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,490
of them got something out of what i was

582
00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:51,679
talking is it had a big impact on some

583
00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:54,200
of my students who to this day talk

584
00:23:59,770 --> 00:23:56,150
about an in fact the president of our

585
00:24:01,390 --> 00:23:59,780
skeptics club shiloh he was what student

586
00:24:03,549 --> 00:24:01,400
who you'd been impressed with in the

587
00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:03,559
questions yet questions and he you know

588
00:24:06,490 --> 00:24:05,030
he is a Catholic kid to which is

589
00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:06,500
interesting he's very devout Catholic

590
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:07,940
the two leaders of the club one's a very

591
00:24:12,340 --> 00:24:09,500
devout Catholic what is a very devout

592
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:12,350
Mormon sort of like that people running

593
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:15,710
for office on good heavens mmm yeah but

594
00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:19,520
yeah it really it really helped him you

595
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:22,580
know yeah he was able to start thinking

596
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:25,250
about the way he views the world and he

597
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:28,190
still loves his faith but he's starting

598
00:24:33,070 --> 00:24:31,010
to recognize that there's a lot that you

599
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:33,080
can learn from science that you can't

600
00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:34,550
learn another room so it's good to know

601
00:24:39,730 --> 00:24:36,520
there's a good kid i really like i enjoy

602
00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:39,740
talking about another thing remembers

603
00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:42,140
after I did my token the librarian part

604
00:24:46,419 --> 00:24:43,820
of the talk I'm I'll do again today is

605
00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:46,429
the whole power balance thing I I do all

606
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:47,900
the tests you'll see those around now

607
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:49,850
whatever asked him yeah that's just fake

608
00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:51,610
but I like the way it looks yeah exactly

609
00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:53,870
but when I left and I was walking out

610
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:55,400
with you there's all these students who

611
00:25:00,280 --> 00:24:57,650
have to be four oh yeah i went ahead i

612
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,290
won four or five with me and i ended up

613
00:25:03,790 --> 00:25:02,240
giving most of them well i have one left

614
00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:03,800
which is on my wrist at the moment which

615
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:05,150
I'll use today and I might give that

616
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:05,730
away

617
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,410
for that they didn't care didn't work

618
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:09,120
they just one of the way it was it will

619
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:12,600
snow it'll be one of the things that

620
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,630
when you look back and use time and you

621
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:17,460
think oh I remember power balances

622
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:21,090
wasn't what was there around the 2010

623
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:23,730
2012 like a tie with keyboard on it from

624
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:26,010
the 80s you know yeah exactly all these

625
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:27,540
things you remember from certain periods

626
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:29,190
of history the nostalgia of power

627
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:32,460
balance nostalgia bout between your

628
00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:34,050
anniversary power balance it's even

629
00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:36,300
twice as powerful they still have the

630
00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:38,550
power balance pavilion signs up by the

631
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:41,160
way I thought that a change is still a

632
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:43,170
bit dry by still says power balance

633
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:45,690
really I know I well I will change

634
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:48,840
because their power balance of course in

635
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:51,570
ruins but I did hear that they're

636
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:52,890
changing the name of that which is a

637
00:25:59,030 --> 00:25:57,360
good thing yeah I I hope so as I

638
00:26:00,980 --> 00:25:59,040
remember I took some photographs of my

639
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,990
you know placebo ban right in front of

640
00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:02,700
my didn't funny but I did see those Noah

641
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:06,270
fantasy couldn't help myself yeah well

642
00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:07,620
it can't be too long now before the next

643
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:09,420
period as I look up at the clock

644
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:12,390
yesterday so we should um I should

645
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:13,950
finish my coffee and get my notes

646
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,210
together I don't have any notes I'll

647
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:16,980
just wing it I'll just wing before to

648
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:18,570
get them having a hard time not laughing

649
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,390
as I looked a little robotic I'll

650
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,760
broccoli afro yes just like a little

651
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:26,700
afro and is that funny machine just

652
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:28,620
kicks over there and into the distance

653
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:30,450
what is the frigerators I believe that's

654
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:33,390
the frigerator yet that's allowed fridge

655
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:35,310
while it's an industrial fridge and you

656
00:26:39,810 --> 00:26:37,830
know it's for science well if it's for

657
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:39,820
science has quite a ride in

658
00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:43,480
we shall wind it up here so Erin Kelley

659
00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:45,340
Stephens thanked me once again and I

660
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:47,140
look forward to the next few hours oh

661
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:54,039
wow I've just had a wonderful time here

662
00:27:02,260 --> 00:26:59,330
at will see would go Wildcats run high

663
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,270
school here in vacaville which is not

664
00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:04,159
too far from San Francisco I mean for

665
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:05,900
our international listen as I guess and

666
00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:08,690
I've just did a presentation here in the

667
00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:10,220
library and I still have some students

668
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:13,190
are there so keen folks I can't tell you

669
00:27:19,419 --> 00:27:16,010
these hello what's your name and colon

670
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:19,429
Davidson and Donovan coma Quentin

671
00:27:27,639 --> 00:27:22,090
Strickland Spencer Holly Michael Potter

672
00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:27,649
jolla naranja and you diego yalla and

673
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:29,270
they're all here and some other people

674
00:27:32,409 --> 00:27:31,190
who had to leave because it's it's over

675
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:32,419
i did some of the mystery investigators

676
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:36,289
and I guess you're all hopefully as I am

677
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:38,750
all interested in science and mysteries

678
00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:43,820
would that be a fair call sure what but

679
00:27:47,409 --> 00:27:44,929
what do you find particularly

680
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:47,419
interesting what one mistrials aspect of

681
00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:50,510
science just how i can boggle the mind I

682
00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:54,470
guess yeah I can track you you mind can

683
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,929
trick you yeah can absolutely trick you

684
00:28:01,450 --> 00:27:59,600
and what about yourself I views and

685
00:28:02,830 --> 00:28:01,460
you're wearing a placebo ban because you

686
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:02,840
are helping me with the demonstration

687
00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:06,529
for the power balance um yeah it's it's

688
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:09,320
how like people can trick you and your

689
00:28:18,909 --> 00:28:14,330
mind and how that can affect like how

690
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,919
people think absolutely right now what I

691
00:28:23,289 --> 00:28:21,440
hope don't you saw with those optical

692
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:23,299
illusions to is how your eyes can fool

693
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:28,010
your brain and all the rest of it I like

694
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:32,360
the face the faces the paradol Ian yes

695
00:28:36,669 --> 00:28:34,130
of course people can see faces with our

696
00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:36,679
owner faces and had you seen did you

697
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,360
know about the power balance before had

698
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:40,399
you heard about that one Oh mr. Stevens

699
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:43,190
talked about it a little bit but so he

700
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:45,529
kind of gave that away but before that

701
00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:48,710
no well I'm glad you do I'm glad I'm

702
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,120
glad you're telling you students about

703
00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:52,880
that somebody has to right yeah somebody

704
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,649
has to I'm very glad to hear about that

705
00:29:00,499 --> 00:28:57,679
and I are you all in Mississippi sports

706
00:29:02,689 --> 00:29:00,509
players yet so what do you

707
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:02,699
to do I mean are you all sort of

708
00:29:06,139 --> 00:29:04,409
interested in science oh yeah we'll have

709
00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:06,149
other ideas of what you'd like to do

710
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:08,339
after you graduate yeah I like science

711
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:10,409
but I don't want to have a career in

712
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:13,109
science really what do you think that's

713
00:29:17,329 --> 00:29:15,089
cool i mean you can Air Force Air Force

714
00:29:18,619 --> 00:29:17,339
well I bet you if you go to the Air

715
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:18,629
Force you're going to be using science

716
00:29:23,719 --> 00:29:21,659
there of course so it's good together

717
00:29:24,709 --> 00:29:23,729
the more you know here the more it's

718
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:24,719
going to help you get into the air force

719
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:27,769
I think yes absolutely I couldn't agree

720
00:29:33,949 --> 00:29:32,159
it is I have so many ideas now oh I

721
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,959
think I put ideas in it well you know

722
00:29:37,639 --> 00:29:35,279
the one I showed you about the power

723
00:29:39,229 --> 00:29:37,649
balance and the one you took part in and

724
00:29:41,299 --> 00:29:39,239
how you can press down on somebody Sam I

725
00:29:43,369 --> 00:29:41,309
meant what I said before the more people

726
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:43,379
who know about the trick the better

727
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,690
because then it takes away the trick

728
00:29:49,939 --> 00:29:47,399
from the people who are trying to take

729
00:29:52,009 --> 00:29:49,949
your money away so please show your

730
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:52,019
friends show your friends but don't but

731
00:29:54,979 --> 00:29:53,369
don't then give them something and say

732
00:30:00,139 --> 00:29:54,989
if you buy this for thirty dollars you

733
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:00,149
can no more as seen on TV stuff yeah but

734
00:30:04,099 --> 00:30:01,529
you'll probably will still see people

735
00:30:05,689 --> 00:30:04,109
doing that and it's tempting when you

736
00:30:07,609 --> 00:30:05,699
see it in the malls to go up and say

737
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:07,619
you're wrong it doesn't work but yeah

738
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:09,899
people often that can lead them to

739
00:30:16,449 --> 00:30:12,299
people getting very angry with you I've

740
00:30:19,069 --> 00:30:16,459
discovered which isn't a good thing yeah

741
00:30:21,349 --> 00:30:19,079
well look thank you everybody for coming

742
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,359
along again it's really great to that

743
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:23,039
you did come along to see my talk and I

744
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,690
hope you found it interesting it was a

745
00:30:28,069 --> 00:30:26,159
lot there there was optical illusions

746
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:28,079
and tricks with this power balance thing

747
00:30:34,099 --> 00:30:30,569
and we ended with with a video from Mars

748
00:30:35,629 --> 00:30:34,109
so thank you for having me back once

749
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:35,639
again thank you for coming once again

750
00:30:39,139 --> 00:30:37,049
hopefully can do this again in the

751
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,149
future I hope so it's been about two

752
00:30:41,989 --> 00:30:40,799
years and so is here before so maybe in

753
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:41,999
a couple of years I'll come back and

754
00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:44,129
I'll talk to another group about next

755
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:48,389
month you know as much as I'd like hey

756
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:49,529
you want to pay for my airfare from

757
00:30:56,089 --> 00:30:53,039
Australia no well there that's that idea

758
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:56,099
then so from will c wood high school in

759
00:31:09,900 --> 00:30:58,130
vacaville thank you everybody

760
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:12,700
the hand side is a podcast of the

761
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:14,300
monthly lecture drain back camera

762
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,450
skeptics incorporating each month camera

763
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:19,360
skeptics provides experts in their field

764
00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:22,100
ranging from science and philosophy to

765
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:24,590
politics and national security with an

766
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:27,080
opportunity to present their views you

767
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:49,799
here's may not spooky action at the

768
00:32:04,249 --> 00:32:00,499
please welcome Julianne Moore oh thanks

769
00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:04,259
very much Alan okay now our third shonky

770
00:32:09,259 --> 00:32:07,559
award goes to a range of homeopathic

771
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:09,269
pills and basically it was game over

772
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:11,750
when we said the word homeopathy here

773
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:13,769
choice experts looked into these

774
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,049
products some of the products include

775
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:18,720
strychnine and arsenic if that worries

776
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:20,490
you you don't need to be too worried

777
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:22,529
because the level of dilution in

778
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,750
accordance with homeopathy best practice

779
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:27,179
for want of a better expression is one

780
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:31,129
drop in 1,000 trillion or one drop in

781
00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:33,750
20,000 olympic-sized swimming pools

782
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:35,309
which is roughly the same mix of

783
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,870
detergent to water ratio is a samsung

784
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:40,080
top loader on a bad day the harm or

785
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:42,570
Xiang kiness doesn't come as much from

786
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:44,039
the stuff itself but from the fact that

787
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:47,220
it basically does nothing so Alfred

788
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:50,279
shonky goes to nature's way kids smart

789
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,159
range things are pretty good look I'm

790
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:54,480
just gonna grab Julian who's come off

791
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:55,950
stage look how did you find hosting with

792
00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:58,500
shonky Awards this year well I think I

793
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,299
was the shonky as part of it but look

794
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:03,120
it's it's a good cause I like a bit of

795
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:04,769
naming and shaming well yeah and that

796
00:33:07,009 --> 00:33:06,059
goes on here normally you wouldn't want

797
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:07,019
to do this because she could be worried

798
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:08,370
about the touch of libel it's got to be

799
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,929
done the careful way hasn't it that's

800
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:11,039
right that's why Ingrid was on stage

801
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:12,840
with me because I was kind of

802
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,490
freestyling a bit of defamation and

803
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,559
she's there to keep keep it on an even

804
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:18,480
keel and make sure that we don't that we

805
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,980
only get into the sort of trouble that

806
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:21,600
the song is a designed to get you in if

807
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:23,129
they can almost sunk the entire strand

808
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:24,450
consumers association by claiming that

809
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:25,830
Apple had given them free product

810
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:27,690
everyone so John so that would have

811
00:33:30,499 --> 00:33:28,769
worked the whole the whole reputation

812
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:30,509
was just a bit of a serving suggestion

813
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,580
for next year's junkies no but they do

814
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:34,080
they pay for everything which is very

815
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:35,580
impressive

816
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:38,190
and I must say I just couldn't watch as

817
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:40,470
those ipads and iphones went underwater

818
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:43,140
it just seems just in cruel well i was

819
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,520
always suspicious of course the famous

820
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:47,220
podcasting host leo laporte actually had

821
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:48,990
that done to his phone and tested it

822
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:50,430
live on air and completely destroyed his

823
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:52,350
phone yeah I'm a bun cigar making its us

824
00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:53,460
about it doesn't seem a little bit

825
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:55,620
strange any product or service that

826
00:34:00,500 --> 00:33:58,110
advertises itself as being invisible

827
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:00,510
probably has a few red flags there mmm

828
00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:02,910
dating services are like that really

829
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:05,520
okay exactly I use a nano dating service

830
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,710
it uses micro fibers here to keep me

831
00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:09,480
single have you used any of those

832
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:10,830
products I've got to say I've tried to

833
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,660
get mold off the bathroom with little

834
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:14,220
results and come back buzz and that

835
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:15,750
explains it that's a pretty shocking one

836
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:18,690
I mean you know call a product exit mold

837
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:20,910
one thing that you would expect it to do

838
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,290
is exit mold but apparently not so I'm

839
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:27,240
not sure they're going to change the the

840
00:34:32,870 --> 00:34:29,790
product name to nothing maybe yeah I

841
00:34:34,370 --> 00:34:32,880
think of it as a homeopathic bathroom

842
00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:34,380
cleaner maybe maybe they could call it

843
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:35,790
you'll be back in a week that's right

844
00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:37,950
exactly exit the bathroom yes what

845
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:40,230
shipper and so just mean a brave new

846
00:34:43,370 --> 00:34:42,450
world of you foraging for food consumer

847
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:43,380
products now you're going to be out

848
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:45,030
there testing stuff at home more often

849
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:46,890
you're going to be out there learning /

850
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:48,060
listening to lawyers what are you gonna

851
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:52,110
do I must admit I do occasionally get a

852
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:54,090
bit angry on the phone in particular so

853
00:34:59,960 --> 00:34:56,610
I have moments of of consumer outrage

854
00:35:01,700 --> 00:34:59,970
and yeah look I must say I enjoy the

855
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:01,710
shot guys I wouldn't mind channeling it

856
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:03,690
into some sort of future project but I'm

857
00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:05,340
not not sure yet I can see you're still

858
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:06,840
angry about homeopathy oh yeah

859
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:09,210
absolutely I have homeopathic rage which

860
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:11,310
means it's no really rage at all we'll

861
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,110
give a good time here and I see ya good

862
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,119
see a Cheers a little bit

863
00:35:18,529 --> 00:35:17,160
now I'm with someone who's very excited

864
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:18,539
it's the biggest day of the year for you

865
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:20,490
where are we who are you what's

866
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:21,900
happening we're in Sydney we're at the

867
00:35:27,319 --> 00:35:24,359
ivy and we have just announced the eight

868
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:27,329
winners of choices annual shonky Awards

869
00:35:33,499 --> 00:35:29,490
this is the seventh year for us monad

870
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,509
and this is where we out the dubious the

871
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:36,180
dodgy the deceitful sometimes the unsafe

872
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,490
products and services that are on the

873
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,680
market for consumers the naming and

874
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:42,420
shaming works I mean all my

875
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,980
ex-girlfriends you just talk to them and

876
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,359
it works it takes you off the market

877
00:35:51,499 --> 00:35:47,880
right well that's good to know how we

878
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:51,509
are at the ivy I thought it was pretty

879
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,490
good from chunky awards at the only oh

880
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:55,440
yeah that's a bit early but I started I

881
00:35:59,779 --> 00:35:57,390
know and here you are in person checking

882
00:36:01,999 --> 00:35:59,789
it out this here are the products the

883
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:02,009
winners no dating sites there I thought

884
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:03,359
you might have some dating sites out

885
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,849
there we have certainly named some some

886
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:08,880
dating sites for having fees and and

887
00:36:12,739 --> 00:36:10,710
some issues in their contracts but this

888
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,749
year eight winners spanning travel

889
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,599
finance digital or technology white

890
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,720
goods and also fine print in some of the

891
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:20,940
the contracts in terms and conditions

892
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:23,910
also health and food there's the only

893
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:25,859
homeopathic remedies for children now

894
00:36:30,759 --> 00:36:28,470
it's not strictly sold as medicine so is

895
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:30,769
it that dangerous this is a nature's way

896
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:35,249
kids smart range homeopathic pills that

897
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,730
are marketed or as natural medicines so

898
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,980
there's still medicines in there Isaac

899
00:36:44,059 --> 00:36:42,599
so someone might consider it medicine

900
00:36:46,009 --> 00:36:44,069
even though it's not officially classed

901
00:36:48,229 --> 00:36:46,019
aside when you're reading the labels the

902
00:36:51,319 --> 00:36:48,239
claims say that this is for treating

903
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:51,329
children with runny noses hey FIFA I'm

904
00:36:59,029 --> 00:36:56,130
cold and fever for kids who are agitated

905
00:37:01,789 --> 00:36:59,039
who are restless and some of these

906
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:01,799
symptoms are actually symptoms of

907
00:37:07,729 --> 00:37:05,400
potentially infectious diseases where

908
00:37:10,249 --> 00:37:07,739
kids might actually be really sick we

909
00:37:12,049 --> 00:37:10,259
looked at the concentration of the

910
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,059
active ingredients in these products and

911
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:13,920
we found that it's one drop in the

912
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:16,529
equivalent of 20,000 Olympic sized pools

913
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:18,450
it's not the dilution that we're so

914
00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:19,950
worried about because that's part of

915
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,400
homeopathy but

916
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:23,680
it's the fact that these products are

917
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:25,870
marketed to parents to look after sick

918
00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:28,810
kids who may by using them be actually

919
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:32,080
delaying their seeking of professional

920
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:34,150
medical advice for kids who might be

921
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:35,950
really sick and that's putting them in

922
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:38,800
potential potential danger tell me I

923
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:40,540
scamsters becoming smarter or a

924
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:43,360
consumers not becoming as aware probably

925
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:45,100
a little bit of both I think scams just

926
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:48,760
keep ahead of the curve but consumers

927
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:52,210
now have more information at their

928
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:54,280
fingertips than ever before when they

929
00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:59,050
purchase so using your mobile phone your

930
00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:01,660
iPad your tablet computer you can do

931
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:04,060
your research on the spot in a store not

932
00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:06,070
just price comparisons but you can check

933
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:08,440
our choice reports for example they give

934
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:10,540
you the critical information that cuts

935
00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:12,520
through the marketing spin and it's the

936
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,980
key thing for consumers to remember okay

937
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:16,240
look thank you very time you've got a

938
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:17,830
lot of interviews up here and like be

939
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,819
more scientists in Pollard how good

940
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:43,020
would that be well you can find out that

941
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,650
Canberra there's a lecture by dr. will

942
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:50,160
grant on the tenth of November 2010 time

943
00:38:56,660 --> 00:38:54,660
is 130 p.m. til 330 p.m. at the CSIRO

944
00:38:59,859 --> 00:38:56,670
Discovery Center clooney's ross street

945
00:39:04,160 --> 00:38:59,869
actin in the acct in canberra there

946
00:39:06,319 --> 00:39:04,170
admission is free we often hear moans

947
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:06,329
that our current Parliament features far

948
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:09,180
too few scientists and instead it is

949
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:11,460
packed with lawyers economists and used

950
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,890
car salesman but what would it actually

951
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:15,359
mean to pack our parliament with

952
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:17,730
scientists would we really get better

953
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:20,250
policy outcomes would we get truly

954
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:23,250
evidence-based policy in this talk will

955
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,290
grant will explore how scientists and

956
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:27,720
politicians might work together for the

957
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,660
best policy outcomes more information

958
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:32,579
about this talk on the tenth of November

959
00:39:41,809 --> 00:39:39,410
at ww Canberra skeptics org a you and

960
00:39:43,309 --> 00:39:41,819
while you're there you might check out

961
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,319
the information about another talk

962
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,599
coming up the last Canberra skeptics

963
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:48,720
meeting ever a sceptical take on the

964
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:51,480
upcoming end of the world with our very

965
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:53,670
own Peter Babbage and that's on the

966
00:40:00,620 --> 00:39:57,300
eighth of December 2012 at D CSIRO

967
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:00,630
discovery center as well admission is

968
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:03,750
free more scientists in Parliament and

969
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,609
the end of the world I don't think the

970
00:40:11,780 --> 00:40:08,640
to necessarily go together visit www

971
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:11,790
Canberra skeptics org au for more

972
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:14,490
information about these free public

973
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:29,270
join us now for drinking skeptically in

974
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:36,510
the think tank add once again listeners

975
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:38,490
as we do periodically maybe that once a

976
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:41,250
year we're back in our lovely Southern

977
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:44,880
California in the Orange County called

978
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:48,360
because it's orange but was it is orange

979
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,690
because of halloween that's uh huh I see

980
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:54,480
and I'm here in the hot tub of truth I'm

981
00:41:03,880 --> 00:40:56,370
surrounded by so many skeptics I can't

982
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:03,890
tell you but cheers everybody bloody hmm

983
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,750
that's a Brian come on skip to keep

984
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:08,400
roads and I and we're a little jealous

985
00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:11,250
that I got invited I'm like wow let's do

986
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:12,750
the circle here let's introduce

987
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:19,110
everybody starting on my right Oh me I'm

988
00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:22,170
penny gem of a skeptic zone you know me

989
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:24,120
but I also do skeptically phoned pretty

990
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:25,230
for your thoughts ready for your

991
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:26,730
thoughts and you can you thought that's

992
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,700
missing there you are oh hey I'm Rachel

993
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,680
bloom I do sketches in music videos

994
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:34,020
under the username Rachel does stuff on

995
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,640
YouTube and I write for the adult swim

996
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:40,680
show robot chicken and you did the

997
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:42,750
lovely singing in bryan Dunning's

998
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:45,810
episode of 7 Jeff sequin secretly digi

999
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:48,330
Queen which was fantastic yeah and she

1000
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:50,970
is coming up in skeptically poem 2012

1001
00:41:56,570 --> 00:41:53,790
might have some John rail a creator

1002
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,580
person of skeptically pwned I'm Jim

1003
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,680
Brown other creator person of

1004
00:42:03,110 --> 00:42:00,480
skeptically pwned I sent some

1005
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:03,120
competition there no one of us has to

1006
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:06,270
die that's all I Mary nothing and I'm

1007
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:10,500
just a person that's cool yeah future

1008
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:15,050
present future Penn State has a plan for

1009
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:18,030
some country I think it involves polar

1010
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:20,550
bears and we have I'm Brian Dunning from

1011
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:22,530
sceptile haha where have I heard that

1012
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:24,820
before and I am NOT Brian

1013
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:29,800
I'm Lisa died mrs. sketchy-looking saucy

1014
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:33,490
f9 so what a thrill it is to be back in

1015
00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:36,490
the hot tub run this is a good hot tub

1016
00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:39,160
of Troop I think over the years and it's

1017
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:40,600
the first one that we've actually worn

1018
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:44,470
bathing suits yeah Shh ok what do that

1019
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:50,110
damn it why do we have early start so

1020
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:54,070
Brian um now what we can we can allude

1021
00:43:00,080 --> 00:42:56,290
to some big news coming up for skipped I

1022
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:00,090
think without giving too much away I am

1023
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:02,890
working at bringing sceptile to a larger

1024
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:05,800
market and you can use your imagination

1025
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:07,750
to guess what market that I'm using all

1026
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:11,560
kinds of imagination right that's good

1027
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:13,480
yeah then that's all the hint you can

1028
00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:20,340
information it's close to be using our

1029
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:26,980
imagination it's called sex toy dear sir

1030
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:36,880
he debunks many myths I hope that

1031
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:38,260
doesn't include a video I've been

1032
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:40,860
relying on those myths for so long

1033
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:43,870
speaking of videos and there a number of

1034
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:45,460
people here in the hot tub who are

1035
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:48,010
involved in videos but Brian um I think

1036
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:50,470
was it last time I just think he a year

1037
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:52,930
ago you or maybe even before the new won

1038
00:43:58,860 --> 00:43:56,590
an award for here be dragons oh yeah it

1039
00:44:03,300 --> 00:43:58,870
was at a film festival up and up in

1040
00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:03,310
Portland Oregon and yeah it was like the

1041
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:04,900
the juried award or something like that

1042
00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:07,720
because I as my listeners know last week

1043
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:09,820
I was visiting a school in vacaville in

1044
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:15,160
California and they you know it will c

1045
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:16,900
wood high school and they showed the

1046
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:18,910
kids in science class can't be dragon

1047
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:21,970
yeah ever since the thing with here be

1048
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:23,890
dragons is it was made by one guy with

1049
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:25,480
no clue setting the camera up on a

1050
00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:27,430
tripod and standing in front of it so it

1051
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,800
was like totally modest production

1052
00:44:35,220 --> 00:44:32,560
values but the rapes that its end up

1053
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:35,230
having has just constantly amazed me my

1054
00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:37,700
favorite part is the part with Lisa

1055
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:39,320
yeah that's everyone's face my favorite

1056
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,540
comment on that was so many shirts for

1057
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:46,160
some reason I thought it was necessary

1058
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:48,500
to change clothes in every single shot

1059
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:50,300
and you have so many shirts in that my

1060
00:44:55,210 --> 00:44:52,610
favorite part was the Pacifico beer you

1061
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:55,220
were rocking yes yes yes there's the

1062
00:44:59,890 --> 00:44:57,290
famous outtake from that where I put the

1063
00:45:01,870 --> 00:44:59,900
beer up to my lips and took a sway any

1064
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:01,880
other gather hadn't been any beer at the

1065
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:03,140
house at the time so I went out to the

1066
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:06,470
trash can and literally rubbish oh and

1067
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:08,810
when I put it up to my lips I got a

1068
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:14,060
medal full of something oh you ever sink

1069
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:16,790
in your home sherry you're just telling

1070
00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:19,130
me recently how and if we look over the

1071
00:45:22,450 --> 00:45:20,870
hot tub we can see your your nice little

1072
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:22,460
yard here how it's been invaded by

1073
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:25,370
raccoons oh I hope the raccoons weren't

1074
00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:29,150
invading your trash can that's the

1075
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:31,190
raccoons come and eat the grubs actually

1076
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:33,950
it's been a neighborhood wide interest

1077
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,040
our city would but so yeah true story we

1078
00:45:40,930 --> 00:45:38,480
actually downloaded that before we ever

1079
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,940
met you that's really hot here we hang

1080
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:42,560
it's very cool thank you for doing them

1081
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,350
unless marked I love the pot in here be

1082
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:46,880
dragons where he's talking about New Age

1083
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:49,370
energy he's running across a pot chased

1084
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,610
by this blogger baby I think from Star

1085
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:54,560
Trek just like a blob of and every did

1086
00:45:59,380 --> 00:45:56,990
he get a credit in that I think yeah i

1087
00:46:01,870 --> 00:45:59,390
did on one scene it was the part was

1088
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,880
like the monsters in manner seemed all

1089
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:03,440
it was when he was reading the book on

1090
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:05,750
the bread calyx upstairs my job was

1091
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:09,080
pushing record and pushing record again

1092
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:11,390
to stop it we're proud good enough good

1093
00:46:14,110 --> 00:46:12,680
job be surprised about how many

1094
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:14,120
professionals in hollywood mess that up

1095
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:16,970
yeah Rachel of course for you know your

1096
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,620
video is a fantastic we were just

1097
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:20,960
looking at some earlier before we enter

1098
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:22,700
the hot tub and just laughing so hard

1099
00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:25,910
you're wonderful comic music video I

1100
00:46:30,130 --> 00:46:27,140
think they're comic I'd like to thank

1101
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:30,140
some and without honestly without trying

1102
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:32,990
to flatter you i was there in the studio

1103
00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:34,550
when you recorded brian Downing's

1104
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:37,160
episode the Gypsy queen and I was just

1105
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:40,420
captivated by your voice and I'm here

1106
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:42,760
really she came at us with no rehearsal

1107
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:45,460
no practice I ramed literally just

1108
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:47,860
started on first tape recording yeah I

1109
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:50,080
think I listen to it in the car ride

1110
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:51,820
there cuz I thought there was she music

1111
00:46:58,110 --> 00:46:55,420
yet yeah it's I've been singing my whole

1112
00:47:00,840 --> 00:46:58,120
life and you know hey I went to a really

1113
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:00,850
good um college-conservatory that had

1114
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,010
very good vocal technique classes it

1115
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:04,960
really really kicked your ass you sound

1116
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:07,510
awful thank you lecie Sanders whos the

1117
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,730
composer on the Gypsy queen and who's a

1118
00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:11,920
you know successful professional

1119
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:13,990
composer in Hollywood he was very

1120
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:16,390
impressed oh he was great his music was

1121
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:18,760
awesome Lee is the best you know in your

1122
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:20,110
life you look back and you think I

1123
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:21,610
remember that time I remember that well

1124
00:47:25,650 --> 00:47:23,350
that day we were at least Sanders house

1125
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:25,660
to record that episode with you singing

1126
00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:27,310
and Lee being just the charming

1127
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:29,320
wonderful man ears that's one of those

1128
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,290
days that is ingrained in my head it was

1129
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:33,520
really fun we went to that amazing

1130
00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:36,850
random the german restaurant guys

1131
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:39,100
there's a really good german restaurant

1132
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:45,460
right by LAX it was so good it was like

1133
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:48,070
it was in westchester it's a it's

1134
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:49,630
probably the only german restaurant in

1135
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:51,880
westchester I imagine that's probably

1136
00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:54,490
specific it was song go so good i think

1137
00:47:59,370 --> 00:47:56,920
i had like a deer steak or so quiet

1138
00:48:01,860 --> 00:47:59,380
that's right yeah i like some crazy stay

1139
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:01,870
yeah yeah but I was like whatever never

1140
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:04,930
to go there its beauty delays that many

1141
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,210
of my listeners of course but listen to

1142
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:09,040
skip toid every week and I'd be familiar

1143
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,570
but if you haven't heard episode three

1144
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:12,640
hundred the the secret of the Gypsy

1145
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:13,990
queen the secret of the Gypsy way

1146
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:16,060
there's there's of course just the audio

1147
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:17,980
which is it's basically a fairytale

1148
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:20,470
story about a little girl who saves her

1149
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:21,880
kingdom when she's the only one who

1150
00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:23,530
doesn't buy into the pop pseudoscience

1151
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:25,960
of the u.s. cough so there's the musical

1152
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:29,230
story and song in just the audio podcast

1153
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:30,640
and also you can go to youtube and you

1154
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:32,770
can see the whole video which was

1155
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:34,330
illustrated by a children's illustrator

1156
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:36,730
named jesse horn whoohoo in from he was

1157
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:38,250
in Arizona

1158
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,380
really good and you can buy the

1159
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,480
children's book you can find the blog as

1160
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:44,700
well strated the secret of the Gypsy

1161
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:47,130
queen is on amazon.com Jesse did the

1162
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:49,070
illustrations for that and it's it's

1163
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:52,050
really a terrific piece I love a great

1164
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:53,610
piece of art even though you don't have

1165
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:55,080
a little kid who will enjoy the story

1166
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,090
yeah and doing that piece actually got

1167
00:49:02,300 --> 00:48:59,040
me because I always been interested in

1168
00:49:03,860 --> 00:49:02,310
in like The Skeptical area and I just

1169
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:03,870
had like left it for a while I actually

1170
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:06,150
was subscribed I had I got the skeptical

1171
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:08,190
inquirer when I was like 12 yo kid right

1172
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:10,170
here yep yeah because I was always from

1173
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:11,880
a very young age like all of you started

1174
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:13,170
I was really interested in ghosts and

1175
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:15,570
aliens starting like age 8 and then I

1176
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:16,980
started getting into skepticism and then

1177
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:18,330
I left it for a while and then doing

1178
00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:20,070
that episode actually kind of started to

1179
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:21,840
bring me back to it this world and i

1180
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:23,880
really like and as you say you've been

1181
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,200
listening to skip toy i have been there

1182
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:30,000
back in how embarrassing is it for

1183
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:31,710
someone like me who thinks brian is a

1184
00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:33,090
complete dork but i'm recommending

1185
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:37,830
skipped I to everybody stitchers of

1186
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:43,560
Richard's episodes come out for that so

1187
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,630
and the question is I think and I've put

1188
00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:47,460
this to you before when is here be

1189
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:50,580
dragons to you well as you know I've

1190
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:52,980
been applying for 501 C 3 which is the

1191
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:55,560
US nonprofit status yeah and it has

1192
00:49:59,420 --> 00:49:57,450
literally taken over a year and a half

1193
00:50:01,520 --> 00:49:59,430
now you're still going to nonprofit

1194
00:50:03,110 --> 00:50:01,530
router and yet the government has the

1195
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:03,120
last the final piece of paperwork is in

1196
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:04,680
their hands they've got my check and I'm

1197
00:50:07,310 --> 00:50:06,210
just waiting as soon as that comes

1198
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:07,320
through then I'm gonna put up a

1199
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,570
Kickstarter project you can see tax

1200
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:11,880
deduct wait you have to pay for it too

1201
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:13,410
we have to give them a check in order oh

1202
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:16,050
yeah you gotta you gotta say with eight

1203
00:50:20,210 --> 00:50:17,990
hundred fifty dollars along with

1204
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:20,220
application and the application is just

1205
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:23,460
it's just it's a joke yeah hey Brian you

1206
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:26,070
just want anybody to have a profit yeah

1207
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:28,590
yeah if the answer isn't too boring why

1208
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:30,390
did you decide to go the nonprofit rock

1209
00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:33,330
you know well in order to I've always

1210
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:35,420
been a big believer that in order to

1211
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,940
successfully produce skeptical material

1212
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:40,560
or any material it's got to be something

1213
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:41,940
that people are willing to pay for

1214
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:44,250
mm-hmm so I've always taken a very

1215
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:46,980
pragmatic commercial look at doing the

1216
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:48,810
podcast and that's why I do it full time

1217
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:51,630
now because there's barely enough listen

1218
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,370
subscriptions to allow me to scrape by

1219
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:56,220
doing it full time I've heard from many

1220
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:58,350
people many times that if it was

1221
00:51:03,890 --> 00:50:59,940
tax-deductible they would contribute

1222
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:03,900
more which makes all the sense in the

1223
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:06,510
world began what I'm doing already is

1224
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:09,210
meets all the qualifications it meets

1225
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:11,130
the the intent of the law firm for

1226
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,930
nonprofits I'm providing a free

1227
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,420
educational resource yeah yeah yeah and

1228
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:17,880
so that's that's the direction that I

1229
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:20,670
decided to go with with the commercial

1230
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:23,010
angle I don't think that if I made it

1231
00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:24,540
like you had to buy it I don't think it

1232
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:26,550
would be successful but i think that

1233
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,500
people who get behind it who believe in

1234
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:30,480
the material and will continue to

1235
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:33,090
support it I'm absolutely thrilled that

1236
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:35,880
you don't that it's free and the skeptic

1237
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:37,770
zone is oh yeah and if people want to

1238
00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:40,620
chip in I'm thrilled in the light and

1239
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:42,870
I'm so grateful but it should be free

1240
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:45,000
union should be friends do you know how

1241
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:46,650
about subscribers or listeners you have

1242
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:48,690
is there a way to more than me I have

1243
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:51,750
well you know it's interesting I'm like

1244
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:54,780
like most podcasts I use a company

1245
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:56,490
called libsyn that hosts the files

1246
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,680
because the band width would be

1247
00:52:04,340 --> 00:52:01,680
completely prohibited the boys so libsyn

1248
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:04,350
provides their own statistics however I

1249
00:52:09,050 --> 00:52:06,930
having a web development background I I

1250
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:09,060
track it all through my own web server

1251
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:10,920
oh really and the statistics that I come

1252
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:13,290
up with the method i'm satisfied with

1253
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:15,840
our greatly different than the ones

1254
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:19,020
libsyn comes well good or bad minor

1255
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,720
minor higher libsyn doesn't count a lot

1256
00:52:26,330 --> 00:52:23,760
of the listen the lessons that I kept

1257
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:26,340
and really it's a really it's really

1258
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,290
complicated it's not simply counting IP

1259
00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:30,240
addresses or counting downloads it's

1260
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:33,870
it's people in neighborhoods served by

1261
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,610
cable modems for example they all look

1262
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:37,800
like the same IP address and then some

1263
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,390
people's copy of itunes will try and

1264
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:41,460
download it 16 times because it fails

1265
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:43,140
yeah so there's there's a lot of

1266
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,050
variables okay what the quality of

1267
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,720
research that you do is a full-time job

1268
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,880
it is you can tell you put in a lot of

1269
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:53,640
time and effort into each of the

1270
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,240
episodes so it should be a full-time get

1271
00:53:01,310 --> 00:52:59,280
paid for that being said you should

1272
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:01,320
people you know it's great that it's for

1273
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,820
free I don't want this I want this

1274
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:04,440
recorded Richard I just gave him an

1275
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:04,890
assigned

1276
00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:08,160
for the Hollow Earth theory so all over

1277
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:09,750
there is out there brought me three

1278
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:12,060
books so I that is more books than

1279
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:16,170
anybody else on earth oh yeah I think

1280
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:18,510
the take-home message for skeptic zone

1281
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:20,490
listeners is if you can afford it after

1282
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,730
you've contributed to the skipping so as

1283
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:25,440
a few pennies that are left sending

1284
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,950
Brian Dunning thank you but I never

1285
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:30,780
solicit my own donations on someone

1286
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,940
else's show masse I've been zing to gain

1287
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:38,280
by behind coming oh I have a question

1288
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:40,200
for both of you yeah cuz there ever been

1289
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:44,310
a topic that you that you bunked but

1290
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:46,200
like there are what's the topic that's

1291
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:48,540
left the most mystery still to you not

1292
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:50,070
that not that you're convinced it might

1293
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:51,510
be real but but is there any topic that

1294
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:53,130
like there are some things you still

1295
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,300
can't explain you know that they're

1296
00:53:58,310 --> 00:53:56,520
explainable but you can't come very good

1297
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,320
question yeah it's it's it's the most

1298
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,720
the most common question I get in some

1299
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:03,420
form yeah you know it's what's what's

1300
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:05,640
the occasion where the supernatural

1301
00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:07,260
explanation turned out to be the true

1302
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,360
one well I would come up with but but

1303
00:54:13,850 --> 00:54:11,760
yes I know what you're saying um and and

1304
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,860
really there's there's many many cases

1305
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:16,500
where we simply don't know mm-hmm and a

1306
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:18,090
lot of them are something that was like

1307
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:21,300
it that's me what's you squeezing me

1308
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:24,570
under the world hit me and I wonder the

1309
00:54:32,090 --> 00:54:26,220
second you guys start taping skeptical

1310
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:32,100
toppers and start getting it on it

1311
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:33,990
excites me it's extremely this

1312
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:37,110
mysterious foot just hahaha was touching

1313
00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:39,330
that was my thought whose full well yeah

1314
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:41,100
I'm trying to stretch out because I've

1315
00:54:45,310 --> 00:54:42,510
been crumpled into a ball over here it

1316
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,320
was a boy my place this is anyone just

1317
00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:48,720
on Richards lap and then we'll just like

1318
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:51,270
make a way he's the easy let's say you

1319
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:54,510
Brian you Vinick I thought my question

1320
00:55:01,760 --> 00:54:55,800
was like super unique but apparently

1321
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,770
it's the most because you're what you're

1322
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:03,240
really asking is what everyone's

1323
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:04,800
fundamentally asking when they want to

1324
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:06,450
tune in to a show like this yeah they

1325
00:55:09,390 --> 00:55:08,130
want to know you know what's a what's a

1326
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:09,400
real mystery what

1327
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:11,890
and and really there's so many of these

1328
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,050
and it's it's usually things where all

1329
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:17,200
of the evidence was anecdotal like if

1330
00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:19,570
it's a UFO I absolutely agree okay we

1331
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:21,790
have no idea what actually happened in

1332
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:23,530
this case if somebody comes to us and

1333
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:25,720
says I was in my backyard yesterday I

1334
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:27,640
was weeding the garden I looked up in a

1335
00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:29,260
UFO flew over how do you explain that

1336
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:31,840
yeah yeah I can't explain that what do

1337
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:33,430
we do I'm the world's least qualified

1338
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:35,050
person to explain that I wasn't there

1339
00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:36,970
right I have no idea what you may have

1340
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:38,200
seen I don't know if you're actually

1341
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:41,950
trying to pull my leg right oh you

1342
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:44,110
genuine oh what happened you know yeah

1343
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:46,390
earlier Rachel you were flinging ghost

1344
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:47,950
stories at us and I'm you know I'm going

1345
00:55:50,730 --> 00:55:49,240
to skip and go around I'm like did it

1346
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:50,740
all take place in the same room with the

1347
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:53,530
same circumstance no okay to take place

1348
00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:55,470
where the same person no okay did it I

1349
00:56:00,810 --> 00:55:59,140
don't know yeah ghost stories from

1350
00:56:02,490 --> 00:56:00,820
various friends but like as a skeptic

1351
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,500
I've been trying to like fire reasons

1352
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:04,240
for and some like n some what are you

1353
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:05,440
that's the problem one of the biggest

1354
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:07,650
mistakes any other skeptics make and

1355
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:11,470
people trying to unravel things is the

1356
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,090
first thing is well did it really happen

1357
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:15,280
I'd this person is telling me something

1358
00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:17,110
but that doesn't mean it happen yeah

1359
00:56:20,910 --> 00:56:18,940
like they're telling me what happened at

1360
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:20,920
all sure yeah and then you end up trying

1361
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:23,290
to explain their memory yeah and that's

1362
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:24,730
what John was saying that it's it's work

1363
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:25,960
that you guys are always saying words

1364
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:27,910
it's also something of doing selective

1365
00:56:31,260 --> 00:56:29,590
memories what it were they putting

1366
00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:31,270
pieces together didn't necessarily work

1367
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,640
yeah yes which is which is what happened

1368
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:36,160
for the whole area 51 excuse me the

1369
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:39,130
whole Roswell alien crash story was

1370
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:43,060
basically memories of one man over a

1371
00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:45,810
period of something like 20 years yeah

1372
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,000
20 years later after that he was

1373
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:51,040
compelled by a reporter to try and put

1374
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,390
together a nice together maybe

1375
00:56:56,310 --> 00:56:53,920
completely different than the original

1376
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:56,320
story he gave wasn't it well that that's

1377
00:57:00,030 --> 00:56:57,880
what's fascinating is because the Air

1378
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:00,040
Force when they received that Government

1379
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:01,750
Accounting Office Freedom of Information

1380
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:05,050
Act to investigate what actually

1381
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:07,150
happened at Roswell they did in a

1382
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:09,970
staggeringly thorough job and they went

1383
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:12,100
through all of this one doctors memories

1384
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:14,530
and they came up with what he was

1385
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:16,150
probably remembering for every single

1386
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:17,890
one of them and it's a fascinating

1387
00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:20,170
history you learn a lot of

1388
00:57:24,089 --> 00:57:22,660
really why episodes that you end up

1389
00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:24,099
learning things that no one ever

1390
00:57:30,059 --> 00:57:25,960
considered it's way more interesting

1391
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:30,069
than some weird like story chocolate

1392
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:32,680
truth is the truth is weirder yeah I

1393
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:34,690
mean sometimes even sometimes even the

1394
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:36,220
truth isn't the truth like I remember

1395
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:38,530
you did about the was a frogs falling

1396
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:40,930
from the sky and how even like news and

1397
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:43,569
scientists completely got it wrong yeah

1398
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,130
yeah I love listening to your episode

1399
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:46,480
about the Fatima miracle because that

1400
00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:48,609
was one of the things that I was really

1401
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:50,200
mystified by that was any one of your

1402
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:52,180
first ones I listened to and and I

1403
00:57:56,130 --> 00:57:54,250
remember correctly like the main thing

1404
00:57:58,579 --> 00:57:56,140
being the like all the reporters

1405
00:58:01,079 --> 00:57:58,589
descriptions were like so wildly

1406
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,089
different if I remember that was like

1407
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:03,040
one of the main yeah I would say the

1408
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:04,569
interesting thing that I learned about

1409
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:08,079
that is that the popular version of the

1410
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:09,460
Fatima miracle and for anyone who's

1411
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:11,190
listening with that what this was was

1412
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:14,260
three young kids in Spain and I think it

1413
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:16,270
was the 1920s I might be wrong about

1414
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:17,650
that really something like that okay

1415
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:19,630
they predicted that there was going to

1416
00:58:24,690 --> 00:58:22,510
be some miraculous event and lots of

1417
00:58:26,339 --> 00:58:24,700
these hills Italian people turned up

1418
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,349
yeah yeah and they said basically this

1419
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:28,720
the Sun went into some spinning dance up

1420
00:58:33,059 --> 00:58:31,450
in the sky so that's the popular version

1421
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:33,069
of the story that we know now and that

1422
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:34,990
many Catholics believe and accept as a

1423
00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:37,720
genuine miracle and it turns out that

1424
00:58:42,450 --> 00:58:40,270
every pretty much everything that's

1425
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:42,460
known about what happened that day is

1426
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,839
now the result of one Catholic

1427
00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:48,160
researcher who was commissioned by the

1428
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:50,200
church to put together all the evidence

1429
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:52,750
in favor of this being a miracle and so

1430
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:55,690
it was extraordinarily cherry-picked he

1431
00:58:59,700 --> 00:58:57,460
interviewed thousands or hundreds of

1432
00:59:02,099 --> 00:58:59,710
people and included 10 of them in his

1433
00:59:06,089 --> 00:59:02,109
room like it was like the early days of

1434
00:59:07,289 --> 00:59:06,099
Wikipedia the one buddy not and that was

1435
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:07,299
something that was a possible

1436
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:09,010
explanation that I never consider my

1437
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,650
nesting we tend to say oh well what

1438
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:13,359
could it VIN was it an eclipse was it

1439
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:15,250
something scientific effect that's

1440
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,290
that's a big trip because someone will

1441
00:59:21,089 --> 00:59:19,119
tell you something amazing and you try

1442
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:21,099
to rationalize it right and until we

1443
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:23,230
look until what yang worth exactly what

1444
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:24,730
they don't have enough evidence to

1445
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:26,710
you have like a little machine up pops

1446
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:29,230
only into your brain and you go down so

1447
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:31,120
many dead Ali's doing that and make

1448
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:33,400
yourself look foolish huh and in captain

1449
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:34,780
disillusion has a good episode about

1450
00:59:38,790 --> 00:59:37,030
that because he has this weird someone

1451
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:38,800
sent him a video of it looks like a

1452
00:59:43,530 --> 00:59:41,230
watermelon with legs wearing a cape

1453
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:43,540
learning across a field at night yeah

1454
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,670
the thing is it's like a security cam

1455
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:47,680
akata and then somebody else filmed it

1456
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:50,950
filmed a TV screen playing that with the

1457
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:53,770
video camera and then that was projected

1458
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,140
onto something else so it's so fuzzy and

1459
01:00:00,780 --> 00:59:59,200
weird orded you can't he said I can't

1460
01:00:02,550 --> 01:00:00,790
drug he just captain disillusion just

1461
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:02,560
admit anything I can't draw a conclusion

1462
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:04,450
about this video because I don't have

1463
01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:07,690
any evidence it's so blurry hmm so I'm

1464
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,220
not going to draw any conclusions at all

1465
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:10,960
about I can't say if it's fake or real i

1466
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:12,370
would say what that's good that's good

1467
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:13,990
yeah and that's and that's the answer to

1468
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:16,720
your question Rachel we just think of so

1469
01:00:21,210 --> 01:00:18,850
many of these yeah we just and I think

1470
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:21,220
for me it's it's also like I went

1471
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:23,140
through a period of time where I was

1472
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:25,990
like really I was raised kind of like

1473
01:00:30,690 --> 01:00:28,210
agnostic Jewish and like when I was like

1474
01:00:31,950 --> 01:00:30,700
14 15 I realized that a lot of my

1475
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:31,960
Christian friends believed I was going

1476
01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:33,220
to hell I kinda like didn't realize that

1477
01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:35,800
so for my teens it been sent me on kind

1478
01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:37,540
of this religious crisis where I was

1479
01:00:41,310 --> 01:00:38,950
really worried that I was wrong that I

1480
01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:41,320
was coming hell so any sort of like kind

1481
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:43,120
of mysterious phenomena that involves

1482
01:00:45,810 --> 01:00:44,290
anything religious I've always been

1483
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,820
really fascinated by because it tapped

1484
01:00:49,290 --> 01:00:47,200
into my secret fear that I've made the

1485
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:49,300
wrong religious decision muwah and then

1486
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:50,650
I'm gonna burn in hell and then I'm

1487
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:52,450
gonna really regret it it taps into this

1488
01:00:57,180 --> 01:00:55,390
like very deep paranoia that I have Wow

1489
01:00:59,820 --> 01:00:57,190
yeah well i don't think your along with

1490
01:01:01,200 --> 01:00:59,830
that yeah a lot of people that plagues a

1491
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,210
lot of people and therefore it's much

1492
01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:03,040
easier just to stay where you're at yeah

1493
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:05,800
because you know it protects you in both

1494
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,390
ways really you think about it ya know

1495
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:12,400
it's still terrified all right the

1496
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:14,770
conversation in this tub is as deep as

1497
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:17,410
well it's not that deep actually my

1498
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:21,220
kinky but the water thinks it's deep it

1499
01:01:25,860 --> 01:01:23,700
is rise but was it for your knees I'd be

1500
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,870
Irish I know you guys might go out of

1501
01:01:31,029 --> 01:01:28,400
his so much better

1502
01:01:33,730 --> 01:01:31,039
what a guy did you I yeah we should be

1503
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:33,740
so my science teacher yesterday about

1504
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:36,380
the correlation between kinetic energy

1505
01:01:43,569 --> 01:01:40,609
and force how do you stumped good car I

1506
01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:43,579
was confused because motion but yet

1507
01:01:48,670 --> 01:01:46,520
forest is also motion in the motion is

1508
01:01:52,299 --> 01:01:48,680
motion and at least know so that's why

1509
01:01:54,279 --> 01:01:52,309
she's going to be fresh I because you

1510
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,289
could answer the the science questions

1511
01:02:00,880 --> 01:01:56,960
for that it was the science pol science

1512
01:02:03,069 --> 01:02:00,890
debate 2012 do you thank you thank you

1513
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:03,079
Morse is equal to motion is agreed i

1514
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:05,569
want to give one shout out yeah give a

1515
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:08,720
shout out to to my my bromance gabriel

1516
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:10,670
chalice if you're out there you're

1517
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:15,650
probably shirtless like i am that was a

1518
01:02:19,329 --> 01:02:17,569
good shout out thank you babe that was a

1519
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:19,339
good shut up thank you all for coming

1520
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:22,520
along to this first episode of 2012 hot

1521
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:24,440
tub will be making you next week for

1522
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:31,450
but i want to thank what where's where r

1523
01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:33,049
clinking glasses we must clink our

1524
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:36,470
glasses great and i think brian dunning

1525
01:02:44,170 --> 01:02:41,930
is now selling tickets to the next week

1526
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:44,180
so from the hot tub of truth in Southern

1527
01:03:12,090 --> 01:02:47,450
California at the sceptile headquarters

1528
01:03:16,030 --> 01:03:14,560
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1529
01:03:18,190 --> 01:03:16,040
zone what an interesting show it was

1530
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:18,200
this week next week I'm back in

1531
01:03:21,790 --> 01:03:19,850
Australia not sure what I'll be doing

1532
01:03:24,220 --> 01:03:21,800
but i'll be back in australia but we do

1533
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:24,230
have another hot tub of truth coming up

1534
01:03:28,090 --> 01:03:26,330
and in the coming weeks we'll be giving

1535
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:28,100
you some more hints about some exciting

1536
01:03:33,310 --> 01:03:31,370
news from a skip toy podcast stay tuned

1537
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:33,320
for that but for now from wonderful

1538
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:35,450
beautiful Southern California in the

1539
01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:37,460
very studio where Brian Dunning does his

1540
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:39,830
skipped I'd episodes this is Richard

1541
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:45,890
Saunders signing off you've been

1542
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:49,190
listening to the skeptic zone visit our

1543
01:03:56,170 --> 01:03:53,690
website at www skeptics on TV for